Commercial progress has to measured and...

Commercial progress has to measured and balanced against the interests of photographers - some of whom are are artists - but most of whom are the general public who need to preserve the memories they capture in their digital cameras.

I can understand why computer manufacturers have patents or trade secrets (they are actually 2 separate categories from an intellectual property perspective) associated with file formats. Some of the main reasons have to do with protecting innovative inventions that can derive useful revenue streams; other reasons involve getting a competitive advantage against another vendor. Hence as an example, and in the context of digital photography, it is perfectly reasonable for Adobe to protect their PSD format, as it offers a competitive advantage over their competitors.

However, I would assert that digital RAW formats offer no such advantages to camera vendors. Why? Well we have to consider the state of the market. Digital photography is rapidly replacing traditional film photography at an exponential rate of change, as is the trend with most digital technologies, mostly driven by memory price / performance. However, the majority of consumers want assurances that their "pictures" i.e. their files - in the old days that would have been their old (mostly forgotten but sometimes filed) negatives - can be preserved with some "high fidelity".

Furthermore, the rate of innovation of RAW software processors is also helping to drive the digital photography market. In my opinion, this is where the camera manufacturers tend to get stuck. The fundamental assumption of the camera manufacturers seems to be either that:
1) They can innovate faster than independent software vendors (ISVs) and hence create the "de facto" RAW processing standard software packages for their cameras. In my opinion, tihs is not a viable commercial model, as there is no future revenue for the vendors, as everyone expects the Canon or Nikon (or other vendor) software to be a free download, and consumers will not start to pay once it has been free.
or
2) They can make more revenues by licensing the IP rights to specialized RAW processing software libraries that they distribute to ISVs. So the classic issue here is that of preserving the vendor's right to change the format of the RAW format without "breaking" their own RAW processor code base. The real issue here is that of performance and function. RAW processors will inevitably innovate in an attempt to combine superior performance with new ways of exploiting the various RAW formats; however, the drawback for ISVs is that they will take a hit on "time to market" as they try to support new camera formats as they are launched.

What to do? Let the RAW processor ISVs innovate and fight it out in the market. This will be great for photographers everywhere. If the vendors want to participate in the battle, at least let everyone compete with a public file format, as it will grow the market and everyone wins.

PS: Are you listening Nikon?

Wendell Ying – Tue, 2005/04/26 – 7:49pm

So are we to leave a standard in the hands of a monopoly? ...

So are we to leave a standard in the hands of a monopoly?

Or give such a HUGE standard as digital film to an independent group of academics whose only goal is for this format to last until the end of computers. To leave it in the hands of a resaerch community who is solely interested in practical application and limitless adaption and freedom of use.

A truly open format not owned by a company with bottom-lines and profit-margins. To be as a universally accepted standard. Not a marketable name with commercial value.

Adobe=Monopoly.

James Maher – Tue, 2005/04/26 – 8:26pm

> it is perfectly reasonable for Adobe to > protect their...

> it is perfectly reasonable for Adobe to
> protect their PSD format

Adobe fully documents their PSD format.

However, it does so in an SDK. The SDK is free, but you need to register for it.

On a scale of 0 to 10, I'd give them a
9.5.

Nikon, Canon, et al do not fully
document their RAW formats.

On a scale of 0 to 10, they currently score 0.

In the future, I believe they'll make it to 10. It's the economically smart
thing to do.

-- stan

Stanley Krute – Tue, 2005/04/26 – 11:33pm

Stanley, what I didn't realise until recently is that you...

Stanley, what I didn't realise until recently is that you don't need PSD for most (all?) purposes. You can save your files as TIFF files, and still preserve the layers.

I learned this from something Bruce Fraser said in a forum, and in one of his books. Nowadays, he just uses TIFF, DNG, and JPEG. All well documented standards. (At least there are free downloads for the DNG & TIFF specifications, although I'm not sure there is for JPEG?)

Wendell: I wrote something about the topic of camera manufacturers trying to get into software as a response here:

http://avondale.typepad.com/rawformat/2005/04/canon_and_other.html

They do have a dilemma. But trying to sell software on the basis of "lock-in" doesn't appear to have much, if any, profit in it.

James: how long do you think those academics would take to develop a viable standard and get products in place to support it? In other words, to get to this state:

http://avondale.typepad.com/rawformat/2005/04/dng_support_sta.html

Barry Pearson – Wed, 2005/04/27 – 4:18am

establishing code, based on already established varyious RAW...

establishing code, based on already established varyious RAW formats ... Releasing that source to the public at large ... every bit of it open? Well, then it'd just be a matter of cooperating with all the companies to work out any kinks ....

I'd say as soon as you could get a good solid name on it you'd be able to start shaking hands. Adobe is still shaking fists and will be for quite some time.

James Maher – Wed, 2005/04/27 – 2:05pm